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latvju feministe

Ļoti vērtīga saruna, kuru vajadzētu attīstīt tālāk dažādos virzienos, tostarp par vīriešu veselību un mirstību Latvijā - mūsu cipari ir kliedzoši.

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lai arī labi saprotu angļu valodu.. tomēr būtu jāsniedz tulkojums valsts valodā. iedomājaties kāds būtu troksnis, ja svešvalodā runājošie būtu runājuši krieviski

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Guntars

Dievs radītājs deva uzdevumu cilvēkam:
Pirmā daļa: pagodināt Dievu radītāju ar visu savu dzīvi
Otrā daļa: augļoties un vairoties un pārvaldīt zemi.
Tātad, ja dzemdēt bērnus var tikai sieviete, tad vīra uzdevums ir gādāt, lai sievai un bērnam būtu ko ēst un kur dzīvot, jo sieviete ir aizņemta ar bērna kopšanu 24 stundas diennaktī.
Vārds vairoties nozīmē ne tikai atražot sevi t.i 2 bērni, bet vismaz 3. Tātad, ja pieņemam, ka bērnam normāli ar māti jābūt kopā vismaz trīs gadi, tad 3x3- 9 gadi pa mājām un, ja normālais sievietes reproduktīvais vecums ir no 20-30 gadu vecums, tad pa kuru laiku sieviete var veidot karjeru, kādu var izveidot tikai iesākot ar daudzu gadu izglītību un turpinot neatrjot no kases vismaz 10 gadus.
Pie šādas dzīves modeļa izvēles neatliek laika bērnu dzemdēšanai un audzināšanai, jo abas šīs lietas kvalitatīvi nevar apvienot, rezultātā labākajā gadījumā ģimenē ir tikai viens bērns, kas nu nekā nestumulē tautas skaitlisku vairošanos(Dieva pavēle).
Tas ir tikai viens aspekts par Dieva radītāja konceptu uz savu radību cilvēku...

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vīrieša lomu tagad bieži pilda valsts, kura pati bieži ir bābiska :DDDDD

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Guntars

Jauki paklausīties jefiņu(bet joprojām vīriešu, jo Dievs viņus radījis par tādiem), kuri ir apmaldījušies, jo ir aizgàjuši tālu no patiesajām vērtībām un savas kā vīriešu identitātes, ka īsti nezin ko darīt , jo viņu un daudzu citu līdzīgi domājošu viedoklis ir tiktāl nozombēts ar šīm mūsu laikmeta feministiskajām idejām, ka nav brīnums, ka drīz mūsu sabiedrība sastāvēs no bezdzimuma cilvēkiem, jo tikai tādi var būt ar vienu identitāti un pilnīgi vienlīdzīgi...
Bet paldies Dievam, ka ir vēl palikuši cilvēki vīrieši un sievietes, kas dzīvo atbilstoši Dieva radītāja iedotajai identitātei un lomām, kādas Dievs ir definējis.
Kas attiecas uz bezdzimuma propogandētājiem, tad pat, ja jūs ar likumu aizliegsiet vīrieša identitāti un sieviešu identitāti, tad joprojām jūsu sabojātā domāšana un Dieva ielikto nemainīgo vērtību sagrozīšana un kropļošana nebūs leģitīma...

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Un kādas tad īsti ir Dieva dotā vīrieša un sievietes identitāte un lomas? Un dvēseles dzimums?

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Vispirms, būtu korekti, ja jautājuma uzdevējs sevi stādītu priekšā vismaz ar savu vārdu.

Lai kaut ko varētu vispār saprast, korekti būtu sākt ar pašu sākumu.( pieminētie vīrieši diskusijā savus spriedumus balstīja salīdzinot vienu"kroplību par vīriešu identitāti un lomu ar citu (it kā savus uzskatus par "patiesību" pauda)

Tātad iesākumā Dievs radīja debesis un zemi...skat bībelē 1moz.1;2nod. un radīja arī cilvēku (vīrieti un sievieti) tātad radīja cilvēku kurš sastāv no vīrieša un sievietes, tātad pilnīga vienotība un līdztiesība. savukārt tikai sieviete var dzemdēt bērnus, bet vīrietis nē, tātad jau šajā ziņā katram ir Radītāja dota atšķirīga loma un funkcija, pie kam, lai katrs varētu pildīt savu uzdevumu, Dieva definēto, Dievs katram ir devis potenciālu, lai to paveiktu...

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Lieliski, ka šādas diskusijas notiek.
Mazāk lieliski, ka šādā diskusijā runātāji ir tikai vīrieši! It kā par vīriešu lomu sabiedrībā spriest un runāt varētu tikai vīrieši paši. Diskusijās par sievietes lomu gan parasti pamanās būt vismaz viens vīrietis. Turklāt tas nevienā brīdī nekļūst par sarunas tematu.
Mazāk lieliski arī tas, ka tāda relaksēta parunāšanās paliek. Piemēram, brīdī, kad Svece norāda, ka šajā telpā jau arī kafiju pienes kas? - sieviete, visi tikai gardi nosmejas un runā tālāk par kaut ko citu. Lai gan tas bija aizmetnis kaut vai sarunai par to, ka priekšstats par to, ka "mūsdienās jau šīs problēmas nav", bet faktiski tomēr turpina eksistēt sieviešu un vīriešu darbi, rada papildus spriedzi.
Vai brīdī, kad Sedlenieks uzsāk raksturot stereotipisko "latvieša vīrieša portretu" - arī tas būtu lavs sākums sarunai, bet tā neturpinās.
Pietrūka koncentrāka satura, asuma. Jācer uz turpinājumu...

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Lielāks asums varētu parādīties, piem., tad, kad vīrieši sāks plašāk izmantot argumentāciju, ka daļā valstu arvien represīvākā attieksme pret vardarbību ir politika, kurā ir sistēmiski saskatāms anti-vīriešu elements (pieņemot, ka vīriešu hormoni padara viņus bioloģiski vairāk tendētus uz agresivitāti). Dzimumu karš varētu izcelties.

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Diskusijas klausītāja

Tiešraidē nebija dzirdams: brīdī, kad Svece norādīja par sievieti kā kafijas pienesēju, aiz letes sēdošā meitene negaidīti skaļi noteica: "Nē, pirms brīža te bija...(puiša vārds, kuru neatceros)!", tāpēc arī smiekli. Bet piekrītu, bija sajūta, ka dalībnieki īsti nav gatavi iet dziļākā diskusijā. Ļoti gribētos turpinājumu.

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