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Labdien, lasītāji!

Nu, ko. Zināms, kas Latviju pārstāvēs šī gada Eirovīzijas dziesmu konkursā. Tas būs duets Musiqq no Liepājas ar dziesmu "Angel in Disguise." Esmu dziesmu vairākas reizes noklausījies internetā, un jāsaka, ka pirms lielā pasākuma Diseldorfā, puišiem būs jāpiestrādā pie angļu valodas izrunas.

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Kā vienmēr, reiz tauta un žūrija ir izvēlējusies savus pārstāvjus, es automātiski kļūstu par to lielāko fanu. Bet, saku vēlreiz: Piestrādājiet pie izrunas! (Un, rakstot dziesmas angļu valodā, padomājiet arī par gramatiku: "Kill me with killer kiss" nav gramatiski, jo ir jābūt "with A killer kiss".)

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Kārlis Streips > Zvezda 01.03.2011 17:45
Un kas Jūs pats tāds esat? Idiots vai? Tā liekas.

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Zvezda 01.03.2011 17:42
Iģi ti durak sreips na....

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blop 01.03.2011 17:06
As for the song, "Kill me with (a) killer kiss" is, in my humble opinion, an example of bad taste, like "great greatness" and other pleonastic expressions. But what can you expect from a pop song?

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blop > Riga 01.03.2011 16:46
>>>It means Obama has to start speak Spanish?

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No, it means that public services should be provided in Spanish, which is already the case in areas with large numbers of Spanish speakers, e.g. Texas.

>>>And I'd like to remind you - Russians in Latvia are immigrants. There was approx. 8-9% of Russians in Latvia before 1940!

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Latvians are immirants as well. There were no Latvians in Latvia before 2000 BC! Only the Livs are a native group.

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blop > Kalvis 01.03.2011 16:40
The problem is not so much that LTV1, LTV7, etc do not provide more products in Russian. Rather, it is the knee-jerk hysterical reaction of many people whenever anyone - a municipality, election authorities, or (recently) a statistical agency - provides some information in Russian.

Stubborn unwillingness to hear a different language is simply weird. When this language happens to be the primary language of almost a half of the country this is also insulting.

Protecting and developing Latvian is great, but what people do instead is try to end the use of Russian, which is not the same thing. Even if the dream of crazy nationalists comes true and Russian disappears from Latvia, this will not change the fact that little cultural content is being produced in Latvian and the number of Latvian speakers is declining for demographic reasons. Imagine what would happen if the effort that's being spent on language inspections, etc went instead into making some decent books or films.

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Andris_2 01.03.2011 14:08
Riga>Blop 01.03.2011 12:24 ...And I'd like to remind you - Russians in Latvia are immigrants...
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Noteikti tie, kuri piedzima Latvijā kopš 60-tajiem gadiem un īpaši viņu bērni, kuri piedzima savu vecāku dzimtenē sakot ar 80-desmitajiem.
Bet galvenie "imigranti" ir tagadējie krievu bērnudārzu apmeklētāji, kuriem pat vecvecāki ir dzimuši Latvijā.

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Ieva 01.03.2011 12:33
Vispār jau loģiskāk izklausītos "killer's kiss" vai arī "lethal/fatal kiss", arī pārpratumu dēļ izrunas būtu mazāk

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Riga>Blop 01.03.2011 12:24
It means Obama has to start speak Spanish?
And I'd like to remind you - Russians in Latvia are immigrants. There was approx. 8-9% of Russians in Latvia before 1940!

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Eriks 01.03.2011 02:30
Paņislos . Tas ir kautkas jauns.A dziesmiņa tā nekas tikkai ar lielāku uzsvaru pie piedziedajuma par eņģeļiem debesīs .bùs ok.

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Kalvis to Blop 01.03.2011 01:52
>>> Russian is not a foreign language, it is one of the two most common languages in Latvia and the primary language of ca. 40% of the population in this country.
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It depends on your perspective. If you consider citizens of Latvia, then the proportion is different - only about 20% of the Latvian citizens are ethnic Russians. BTW this is beside the point - the important thing about LTV1 is that only a tiny fraction of its audience are those Russian-speakers, who do not understand Latvian.

People of Latvia should be able to use LTV1 as their primary source of visual information (news, entertainment, etc.) - at least that should be the goal of public broadcasting. If it were in some other language (even the ubiquitous English that most of us have learned at school) - then there would still be a MASSIVE NUMBER of people who won't understand it. The solution? Use subtitles, since we cannot rid the world of English language (or Russian for that matter) :)

>>> Yes, LTV1 is supported from taxes paid by the people of Latvia and should provide information in the languages spoken by these people, that is, in Latvian and Russian.
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Please keep in mind that there have always been many TV programs in Russian - most of them are produced in Russia, and they have huge budgets by our standards.

>>> BBC provides the news in dozens of languages:
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The analogy of LTV1 is not the "BBC World Service", but rather the "BBC One" - the primary product of BBC delivered for the citizens of UK. You can trust me - it is delivered in English and all foreign-speakers are dubbed (subtitles are rarely used).

Certainly, it would be very nice to have Latvian public broadcasting for other countries in a multitude of different languages (some sort of Latvian Radio/TV International Service), but this will not be the goal of LTV1.

There is the 4th program of Latvian Radio and part of LTV7, which also broadcasts in Russian. Why can't there be more products in Russian (e.g. to match the proportion of speakers that you mentioned)? I do not think that Latvian state radio and television can ever catch up with those Russian channels that are produced in Russia in terms of money, quality or any other criteria. It will not beat the ratings of those Russian programs. Because the local news is only a small part of the information needs of a typical listener - and these are more or less adequately covered by LR4 and LTV7.

During the last 15 years there have not been successful media projects similar to "Atmoda" or "Diena" Russian version. Because those local Russian-speakers, who wanted to receive the Latvian perspective for various events already know Latvian language (unlike late 80-ies and early 90-ies).

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blop > Kalvis 28.02.2011 22:10
>>>But LTV1 is a public broadcasting service - it is supported from our taxes and is supposed to be in Latvian.

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Yes, LTV1 is supported from taxes paid by the people of Latvia and should provide information in the languages spoken by these people, that is, in Latvian and Russian.

>>>We should not tolerate a Russian-speaking LTV1 any more than British people would tolerate a French-speaking "BBC One" broadcasting in their home country.

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BBC provides the news in dozens of languages:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/languages/index.shtml

The whole idea that people need to "tolerate" a different language spoken on public TV is weird. Having many languages in the public sphere is the norm.

>>>In fact, if there is a news story in some foreign language, it should be translated - plain and simple!

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Russian is not a foreign language, it is one of the two most common languages in Latvia and the primary language of ca. 40% of the population in this country. This is the reality that will remain, regardless of whether people keep repeating the mantra that "there is only one official language"

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Kalvis to Blop 28.02.2011 21:33
>>> Poor nationalists, they have to listen to the hated Russian language!
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I have no problem listening to Russian - actually I regularly write e-mails in Russian and also read/listen news from the Russian news channels. But LTV1 is a public broadcasting service - it is supported from our taxes and is supposed to be in Latvian. We should not tolerate a Russian-speaking LTV1 any more than British people would tolerate a French-speaking "BBC One" broadcasting in their home country. In fact, if there is a news story in some foreign language, it should be translated - plain and simple!

There is a proper place for each language.

>>> Perhaps they should all move to some island in the Pacific, where there are be no Russians. Or maybe to some other planet.
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Gaidi ar maisu! :)

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Kārlis Streips > kalvim 28.02.2011 20:35
Es arī Eirovīziju neskatījos. Vai kāds var pateikt, kas tur bija krievu valodā? Jo pats esmu Eirodziesmā piedalījies divus vai trīs gadus, un toreiz krievu valodā no skatuves neskanēja pilnīgi nekas.

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blop > Kalvis 28.02.2011 19:44
Poor nationalists, they have to listen to the hated Russian language! Perhaps they should all move to some island in the Pacific, where there are be no Russians. Or maybe to some other planet.

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marinēts mārrutks 28.02.2011 18:17
Amerikāņi droši vien ir pieraduši,ka viņu valodu kropļo taisni tie,kas visvairāk pielien.Klintone gan tā nemierīgi knosījās,bet Kristovskim jāņem līdzi speciālists,kaut vai Streips,kurš var pielabot kļūdas.Būs laba haltūra.Galvenais lai neiegrūž krievu lāča nagos par valodas kropļošanu.
Bet Latvijas dziesmu šoreiz gandrīz noteikti iebalsoja pati jaunākā paaudze.

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fara 28.02.2011 10:53
man ļoti patika dziedošie puiši, šoreiz arī dziesma forša. tikai beku solistus gan jānovāc no skatuves, tie tikai traucā.

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rv 28.02.2011 10:29
vakar klausījos kristovska slaveno uzgājienu, radās vienkāršs jautājiens - so what? (Nu Un?)

afro var buldurēt pa savam (arī visas mūzikas televīzijas piekakāt), amerikas iekšzemēs arī visādi redneki par "tīro hilāriju" neuztraucas, ir skoti un velsieši, arī dīvainīši no "down under", kam valoda stipri atšķiras.

kāpēc mēs pret sevi uztaisam speciālu diskrimināciju, paši sevi izsmejam un čakarējam? drīzāk varētu visi godīgi atzīt, runājam savā piebaltijas geto dialektā un iepūtiet.

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anglosaxis - Karlis Streips 28.02.2011 09:31
Streipa kungs, atvainojos, ka ne par tēmu. Apollo noskatījos, kā kopā ar Hilariju Klintoni "uzstājas" Latvijas ārlietu ministrs Ģ.V. Kristovskis. Manuprāt, tā ir katastrofa (apollo jau to nodēvējis par "nothing special 2"). Būšu ļoti pateicīgs, ja uzrakstīsiet arī par Kristovska "angļu valodu".

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Andris_2 28.02.2011 09:31
Lai arī par ko ļaudis runātu, bet utainais vienmēr par pirti vien, par pirti vien

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Kalvis 27.02.2011 22:31
Eirovīzijas atlases finālu neskatījos. Bet vai ir taisnība, ka LTV1 translētajā pasākuma finālā esot pirms katras dziesmas teikts kaut kas krievu valodā un arī viena jauniete tiešraidē ir veselu gabalu norunājusi krieviski - un nav bijis tulkojuma, piemēram, subtitros.

Par šo tēmu ir Jāņa Rožkalna atklāta vēstule (sk. http://www.visulatvijai.lv/news.php?readmore=1156319478 ). Ko mums darīt ar valsts(!) televīziju - it kā pat latviešu kanālu, kas pieņem par pašsaprotamu, ka visi vēlas klausīties informāciju par notiekošo Latvijā krieviski?

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